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Ep016: Using Belief To Solve Problems With Kevin Knebl

HBS 16 | Solving Problems

 

Today on the Heath Barnes Show, I’m speaking with Kevin Knebl, an international speaker, author, trainer, and executive coach whose clients include individuals and small, medium and Fortune 500 companies. Kevin’s background includes being the top salesperson for four different companies in four different industries including being the top salesperson in the world for an international consulting company with over 300 salespeople in 15 countries. He has trained hundreds of organizations and tens of thousands of professionals on the most profitable uses of LinkedIn, Social Selling, and Relationship Marketing since 2004.

In this episode, see how to create sincere know, like and trust with individuals and within one’s self through challenging thoughts.

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Using Belief To Solve Problems With Kevin Knebl

I am more than excited to introduce our guest, Kevin Knebl. He’s an international speaker, author, trainer, and executive coach. He works with small and medium, even large Fortune 500 companies. His focus is social selling, relationship marketing, LinkedIn, and Twitter. He’ll be sprinkling a little transformational insight or humor when needed. He’s a co-author of a book called The Social Media Sales Revolution and Learn Marketing with Social Media in 7 Days. I first connected with him several years ago using his expertise on LinkedIn. He is known most as an unbelievable salesperson. Welcome, Kevin. Thanks for being here.

Thank you. It’s great to talk with you.

We’ve missed each other a couple of times, but when I called you and said, “I’d like to do a show on LinkedIn.” What showed up in that conversation is how people show up in life like when they’re in sales and things that they miss. You’re like, “Instead of talking about LinkedIn, that’s easy, let’s talk about the thing that most people miss like relationship selling.”

A lot of my time is spent traveling around the world, speaking at conferences, working with clients, showing them how to increase their sales, and using things like LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. We could talk about LinkedIn for hours. Most people who are on LinkedIn don’t know how to use it effectively, not because they’re stupid, but because they don’t realize that it’s not about LinkedIn. Studying electronics on my phone is not going to make me a better conversationalist. Studying the transmission in my car is not going to make me a better driver.

There’s an irony here. Is it important to know some of the basic functionalities of LinkedIn? Sure, but it’s infinitely more important to understand that it’s not about LinkedIn itself. It’s about the conversation that takes place through LinkedIn, which leads to knowing, liking, and trusting. All things being equal, people will do business with and refer business to people they know, like, and trust. Everybody intellectually agrees that it’s true, but few people understand how to create sincere and authentic knowing, liking, and trusting in the business world.

I teach people how to use LinkedIn, but more importantly, how to convey sincere and authentic know, like, and trust, which leads to sales and referrals. Having said that, we can talk about LinkedIn for an hour, no problem. We’ll go like that, but maybe it might be a little more interesting for some people to talk about how we show up in the world and what causes success.

As I told you, I’m doing some work here in San Diego. It’s talking about how you show up in the world. One of their distinctions is in life we attract or we are the source of everything. I love to hear more about that and the know, like, and trust distinction.

I would agree with what you said.

I encourage you if you’re reading this, I’m not asking you to believe something different. I’m asking you to try something new on and see if it fits. Take it away, Kevin.

Sometimes things that I point toward may initially sound woo-woo, but they’re not that woo-woo. You made a point and I’m going to expand on that a little bit. We are the cause of everything that happens in our life. Let me say that a little differently. Almost everybody walking this planet believes. That’s the keyword. It would be interesting for most people to examine what the word belief means.

Most people examine the content of their beliefs. “I believe this and that,” but they don’t explore what belief is. Almost everybody that you talk to all day long believes that they live in an outside-in world. They believe that their feelings and their experience of life are caused by the situation, circumstances, relationships, and other things that are external to them, but it’s not. We live in an inside-out world and I can easily prove it.

Because most of us have not been taught this, we suffer. We go through life and feel to some degree that we’re almost a victim and riding this emotional rollercoaster through life and buffeted by interest rates, who’s in the White House, and COVID but in reality, none of that is true because it is impossible for an external situation or circumstance to create an internal sensation. Let me pause there. What do you hear in that?

What I heard in that is the way you show up, meaning who you decide to show up as whether you’re going to be judging the people around you, joyful, or courageous. The way you see the world is how you’re going to show up. If you see the world as, “I got beat by this other loan officer because they’d had higher rates.” Why do they have higher rates? How did you not show up in a way that provided more value? Does that sound like I’m on the right track? Please give me feedback because that’s another area I’m working on in my life is getting more feedback and listening to it.

Let me throw a different angle on it. If you got beaten by another mortgage officer, meaning they got the deal and you didn’t get the deal. You’re feeling discouraged, pissed, or upset. Where do you think that feeling is coming from?

Feeling that you’re not a good loan officer that there’s something wrong with you or it could be that you’re looking at your external situation and deciding, “I got beat because I don’t have the best rates.”

I’m not asking why you got beat. I’m asking you a simple question. Where is that dealing coming from, in your opinion?

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From early childhood. Most of us, in my understanding, comes from a world of not feeling enough or not feeling loved, and as a result, that frustration probably starts early in life. You don’t even think about how that frustration bleeds over into everything you do. I could be wrong.

That’s fine. If you were to take a survey on the street of everybody that walked by you and you said, “Where do your feelings come from?” I would predict you wouldn’t have one person give you the correct answer, but I’m not trying to sound like an enlightened Buddha here. Let me explain to you how it looks to me. I wish I had been taught this as a child because probably 0.001% of the people on this earth know this or have even been taught this.

Every thought that you have, ever had, and going to have carries a feeling with it. Feelings are echoes of thoughts and few people know this, but it’s true and easily provable. When you said early childhood, that was a thought. That was nothing but a thought that popped into your head. It would be good for your readers to maybe consider the fact that thoughts are not facts. They’re thoughts. As simple as that sounds, it is profound in its implications. As with most deep truths, it’s paradoxical. It’s right there in front of our faces, but we don’t see it 99% of the time.

We, humans, are thinking beings, but few people ever investigate, “What is thought?” They study the content of their thoughts. Self-development or personal development is, in my opinion, built on a lie. I was a self-development junkie for decades, but if you look at the term personal development or self-development, the person or the self that most people think they are is 100 different versions of ego.

It’s not self-development. It’s ego development. “Kevin, I’m going to work on being more positive.” Instead of, focusing on being positive, why don’t we focus on what thought is, not whether it’s positive or negative? Let’s talk about thought itself. Thought is nothing more than ideas that come into your head. Would you consider yourself to be your thought?

I would not. The end of the distinction for, “You’re not your thoughts,” came to me maybe a couple of years ago. We have no control over them. They just pop into your head. My interpretation for many years was that my thoughts are me.

You’re right. Most people think that they are their thoughts. If we think that we are our thoughts, we’re going to suffer. “Thoughts come and thoughts go, but I don’t come or go. Therefore, I can’t be my thoughts.” A good insight for people to have is to first understand that they are not their thoughts. That’s a big insight. Your world will shift a little bit when you understand that. You’ll still get tricked from time to time into thinking that you’re your thoughts, but you’ll snap out of it quicker.

If you’re not your thoughts then you have to realize that you are the observer of your thoughts. Again, I’m not trying to get woo-woo and get into a whole conversation about God, the universe, and those other stuff, but because most people think either consciously or subconsciously that they are their thoughts, they’re riding a 24/7 emotional roller coaster. I’m not talking about detachment. I’m not talking about denying feelings. When a person doesn’t understand where their feelings come from, they will automatically suffer because they will be in victim mode without even realizing they are.

Lots of people come to me as a coach with certain problems in their life. “I need to handle this. I want to accomplish that. I want to set some goals around this,” and there’s nothing wrong with that, but the way that they’re trying to solve those problems is they’re focusing on the wrong area. They’re getting so focused on strategies and techniques, and there’s a time and place for strategies and techniques, but they have a lack of understanding of a foundational principle, which is that you’re not your thoughts. You’re the observer of your thoughts.

Let’s tie this back to the original thing, how people show up in the world. How do people show up in sales or in business? It has nothing to do with mortgages. Industries are industries. Gravity doesn’t care what you do for a living if you’re Black or White, fat or skinny, male or female, or whatever you are. Gravity only works one way. What I’m pointing to in this conversation with you is that people often innocently think, “I’m in the mortgage business and this is how it is in the mortgage business.” “I’m a financial advisor and this is how it is as a financial advisor.”

Gravity works the same for financial advisors, mortgage people, and veterinarians. What people need to understand is they need to deepen their understanding a little bit about who they are. When a person starts to deepen their understanding of who they are, they naturally show up in the world in a more relaxed, non-judgmental, welcoming way, not as a manipulation technique but just because they’re comfortable with who they are and other people become more comfortable with themselves, too.

What I love about what you said is the words nonjudgmental way. If you’re not judging your thoughts or yourself, you’re probably not judging other people. If you cannot judge an event like it’s a neutral event and you can look at it and say, “Life is not so victim.” There’s a distinction that some people that I am connected believed that we’re 100% responsible for everything that happens to us.

Would you agree with me that belief is nothing more than a thought?

100%.

It would be interesting to say to them, not in a condemning or “I got you” way but go, “Isn’t judgment by definition a thought?”

HBS 16 | Solving Problems
Solving Problems: The more we observe and understand what’s going on, the less crappy thinking we will have.

 

Yes.

It is. I’m not discounting thoughts. I’m pointing out my entire life changed when I learned to question my thoughts. I know how dramatic that sounds, but I’m not exaggerating. Most people don’t question their thoughts. “I’m thinking it so it must be right.” You might want to question that. A metaphor, which is commonly used in this topic is, “You are the sky. You are not the clouds that pass through the sky.” The sky doesn’t judge clouds. The sky is being the sky. Birds fly through the sky. The clouds don’t scar the sky. Airplanes flying through the sky don’t scar the sky.

What most people don’t understand is that they are the sky. Even when we have thoughts that hurt and we feel anxious, at the moment that’s hurting, we usually forget that we’re the sky. The reason we suffer is that we’ve forgotten. I help a lot of my clients with this. If a person can develop the habit, and they certainly can, the person can deepen their understanding that no matter what they think and what situation in their life occurs, good or bad, they’re innately well. There’s nothing that can affect you. You have innate well-being 24/7 except for when you believe thoughts.

If I’m understanding correctly, you’re the sky and your thoughts are the clouds. Is that the metaphor we’re trying to get around?

Does it look that way to you?

That’s a thought.

One thing that would be good for you and your readers to know about me is that I never ever ask trick questions. The reason I’m pointing that out is that most of the people I work with are intelligent people. They’re smart. Sometimes my questions are so simple that they think, “Kevin must be trying to trick me because the answer seems obvious.” What I remind them of is, ” I’m trying to show you how you’re overthinking.” I only ask simple questions. Let me ask you another question. Can you think of any situation in any area of your life, financial, relationships, or health, any problem you’ve ever had that you solved by adding complexity to it?

Nothing comes to mind, but I often try.

We live in a world where we’re either consciously or subconsciously taught that the answers to our problems lie in complexity, but I ask people all day long, “Can you think of any situation in any area of your life that you’ve ever solved by adding complexity to it?” I’ve never had a human being answer that with yes, but they’ve never thought of it that way before. There’s some wisdom in there. Wouldn’t that mean that in any situation we have in our life that appears to be a problem, the answer is going to be simpler than we may initially realize it is?

What I’m understanding is that if you think that the solution to your problem is not simple, it’s probably not the right solution.

I would push all my chips in on that and not because it’s a belief, but purely because I have no evidence. I’m a simple evidence-based guy. If you tell me something, I want to see if there’s evidence to support it. Not because you’re a liar, but because I’m simple. If somebody said to me, “Kevin, the answer to this problem lies in complexity.” I’d say, “Show me,” but what I find is it’s not so much about adding more stuff on, it’s about removing things to get to the truth.

This sounds woo-woo, but it’s not woo-woo. It seems to me that our natural state is peaceful, loving, calm, and kind. If you look at children and babies, they seem pretty peaceful, other than they need a diaper change or something like that. All humans’ natural state is peaceful, loving, and kind. Let’s make an assumption that’s true. What would cause someone to not live in a consistent state of peace, love, and kindness? I’ll give you the answer. They’re believing their thoughts without questioning them.

I’m saying that quickly, but we could talk for hours on this topic because this goes back to the question I asked you, “Where do you think your feelings come from?” When you’re pissed in traffic and you’re thinking, “This traffic is pissing me off,” the traffic isn’t pissing you off. It’s impossible for an external situation to convert somehow magically into a feeling in your body.

I’m not denying that you’re going to be late for your appointment and you prefer not to be sitting in traffic, but it’s profoundly helpful to understand that your feeling of anxiety is not based on the traffic. It’s based on your thinking about the traffic. I’m not talking about spinning things in a positive way. I’m talking about every thought carries a feeling.

When you are mad, it’s because you’re thinking mad thoughts. When you are happy, it’s not because you’re watching the sunset with your wife. I’m not denying that the sunset with your wife isn’t pleasurable, but if you think watching a sunset with your wife causes a good feeling in you, how come the person that’s sitting right next to you, whose wife died five minutes ago, how come they’re not having a pleasurable feeling? It’s not the sun.

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It’s the thought of the wife dying and the thought of what their life would look like. Speaking of wives, what’s interesting about this whole conversation is that a few days ago I’m with my wife and we are driving down the road and this was on a Sunday. She was correcting my directions. What’s important about that is that the following day, I’m in a conversation with my coach and it’s about our relationship.

You have these moments where you’re like, “It’s so interesting how things are working.” We were talking about feeling appreciated, and he said, “Have you ever been driving down the road and your wife gave you directions and you heard it as criticism instead of her commitment to you getting where you’re wanting to go?” I’m like, “Yes.” It aligns with what you’re saying. What I believed was the thought that she was criticizing me. What I could have believed was the thought that she was committed to making sure we got where we were going. The way I heard it created thought and maybe I can change that thought next time.

Not so much change the thought, but observe that it’s just a thought. You used the word belief. Again, remember I don’t ask trick questions. The next question I’m about to ask you is not a trick question. How would you define what a belief is?

Belief is something that I keep telling myself is true. I’ve done some work around beliefs. I’ve started to question a lot of my different beliefs. I learned from you. A belief is something you keep telling yourself over and over again, and then you never go back and question it.

Are you cool with me challenging that?

Please.

Do you believe that you love your wife?

Yes.

You don’t. Do you love your wife?

Yes.

I’m not trying to be clever with words here. I’m pointing out the difference between a knowing and a belief. You don’t believe that you love your wife. You know that you love your wife. Do you believe in gravity?

Do I believe in gravity? No, but I know it’s there.

You don’t believe in gravity. You know that gravity exists. For your readers, I’m not trying to be cutesy with words here. Most people never explore this. Let me give you my definition of belief because you said a belief is something that you tell yourself over and over, but I don’t think that’s accurate. You know you love your wife. You don’t believe you love your wife. The way it looks to me is that a belief is nothing more than a thought we consider to be true, even though there’s no evidence that it’s true. Let that sink in.

This could be challenging for people, but I’m not trying to offend people. If meet a Christian, they believe that Jesus died for their sins. They don’t have factual evidence of that. I’m not putting down Christianity. If I meet a Muslim, they might believe in Allah. I’m no expert on Islam, but it will have an impact on a person’s life when they start to realize there are so many things that I believe that I am functioning in the world based on beliefs that have no evidence to support them whatsoever.

I’m not trying to challenge people and say, “You’re wrong about your beliefs.” I’m saying, “Let’s not worry about the content of the beliefs. Let’s first identify if what I’m thinking is a fact or is it a belief.” Knowing which 1 of those 2 it is will have a profound impact on your life. If you’re operating from beliefs, you’re living in la-la land. You just don’t know it. Let me assure you that 99% of the people you see every day are.

HBS 16 | Solving Problems
Solving Problems: We live in a society where it’s very much about control. Dominate the marketplace and crush your competition. Those are all militaristic, violent thoughts. But all things being equal, people will do business with and refer business to people they know, like, and trust.

 

What comes up for me is thinking about all the people, especially on social media that want to defend their point about a belief they have when they haven’t taken a minute to examine that belief.

It’s because we’re not trained as kids. We’re not trained to question our beliefs. We’re trained to believe them. I meet Christians and I go, “Why are you a Christian?” They go, “I believe in the Bible,” and I go, “Who taught you to believe in the Bible?” “My parents.” “Who taught them?” I’m not trying to make this about religion. I’m pointing out that we were indoctrinated with beliefs from the moment we were born and we’ve never questioned 99% of them.

What I’m understanding is that maybe I should start questioning some of the beliefs that I have in my life or be open to other people’s beliefs.

Can I give you a tip on that?

I would love it.

If you were to step on a nail and it was to go into your foot, you would experience pain. Why would you experience pain?

I would experience pain because there is a nail in my foot.

How does that convert into pain?

Nerve endings that talk to your brain and say, “I’m in pain.”

Perfect answer. The reason that you would experience pain is that you have a central nervous system in your body. When the nail hit that nerve, it is conveyed to your brain, and it said, “There’s something up with your foot. You want to check this out.” On one hand, do we desire pain? No, but in a way, the pain is a blessing because if you didn’t realize you stepped on the nail, it could get infected and you could die.

Your physical body has a physical nervous system built into it. Take your left arm. Hold it up. Take your right hand. Grip your left wrist and then a couple of seconds I’m going to ask you to turn. I don’t want you to hurt yourself. When I tell you to go, I want you to slowly turn it until you start to feel pain, and then I want you to let go. Let’s go. Why did that hurt? It’s the same answer you gave me with the nail.

It’s because the nervous system tells my brain, “That hurts. Maybe you shouldn’t do that.”

Let’s walk through this. The reason it hurts is that you were doing something to the wrist in a manner that wasn’t designed to be done. As you were twisting the wrist, it was being used in a way that it was not designed to be twisted and that naturally conveyed to your brain, something to do with your physical nervous system. We all know this. What I’m about to say is going to be a completely new revelation to most people. It would have been helpful if somebody had taught us from the time we were kids that we also have a psychological nervous system.

Going back to what I said, assuming that your natural state is peaceful, loving, and calm, it’s not that difficult to prove that is true, although there would be many people that would try to argue that. If your natural state is peaceful, loving, and kind, then the indicator that something is wrong would be any moment that you weren’t experiencing peace, love, and kindness. It would be the psychological equivalent of the nail in the foot.

At any moment in your life, I don’t care what the situation is, the circumstances, you lost the mortgage deal, your wife gave you the look, or any moment in your life that you are not experiencing consistent peace, love, and calmness, it’s never ever because of anything that’s happened. It’s because you have innocently been tricked into believing a thought without questioning it.

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This is a hard thing for most people to understand at first. They think Kevin’s rockery. This is easily provable, but most of us have never even contemplated what I’m saying. When you were driving down the road and your wife was correcting your driving and that instantaneous pissed-off feeling wasn’t because she was correcting your drive. It was because of the way you were thinking about her correcting your driving.

At first, it sounds like double-talk. This is profound because what happens when you start to understand this is that you start to not take your thinking seriously. It starts to become almost like a comedy show. You start observing it instead of believing that you are it. You start to laugh a lot more because you’re like, “These are some crazy clouds flowing through my head. Blowing through my sky.”

For years, even now, I struggle with how do I control my thoughts. I’m of the understanding that if I can stay neutral about myself, other people, and events, rather than judging what’s going on, it would be easier to live my life.

Let me make a quick point on that. You used the word control. Those of us that are in sales and in business tend to be type A people. We like to have control. I would encourage you to let go of the thought of control. It’s not about controlling things but in terms of understanding things. The sky doesn’t attempt to control the movement of the clouds. The sky doesn’t try to control the bird’s flight. The sky observes the movement of the clouds and the bird’s flight, but it’s not trying to control it.

We live in a society with personal development or self-improvement where we’re taught things like, “You should try to control your thinking.” No offense. That’s nonsense. You can’t control your thinking. You can only control whether you believe it or not. What’s interesting is that if we let go of the control thing a little bit and go, “Let me not try to control this so much. Let me try to observe and understand what’s going on.”

The more we observe and understand what’s going on, the less crappy thinking we’re going to have. It’s a natural byproduct of understanding, not a by-product of control. You can’t control your thinking as the sky can’t control the clouds. You can only suffer because you believe it or you can observe it and go, “That was a crazy thought. I’m glad I’m awake enough to realize that was a crazy thought and not think that I have to follow it.”

We live in a society, especially in America, where it’s very much about control, dominating the marketplace, and crushing your competition. Those are all militaristic, violent thoughts, but if we go back to the original thing we started, all things being equal, people will do business with and refer business to people they know, like, and trust. There’s nothing in that sentence about control.

It’s not all things being equal. People will do business with and refer business to people that they know, like, and trust as long as they can control. The irony here is that most people in business are focusing on the wrong things. They should be focusing on, “How can I deepen my understanding of how to be more sincerely knowable, likable, and trustable?”

I’m not saying be a doormat, give away the store, or if somebody treats you poorly that you should just sit there and take their crap. What I’m saying is that when you start to understand that most adults are kids with long hairy legs, you naturally develop some compassion for them, not because you think you’re better than them or because you’re some enlightened Buddha. Do you have kids?

I do not. I have a dog. My wife has one, me.

If you ever have kids, I will guarantee you at some point that child will have a bad dream some night. In the middle of the night, that child will come into your bedroom crying because they believe that there’s a monster under the bed or a dragon was going to get them. At that moment, I would predict you would not say to the child, “Stupid. It was a dream. Go back to bed.” You wouldn’t do that. You also wouldn’t sit the child down and have a deep conversation about the non-reality of dreams.

What you would probably do is you would say, “Come here and sleep with mom and me tonight. Everything’s going to be okay. Come with us.” You understand something that the child doesn’t understand. You understand that it was just a dream. Because you understand that, it automatically activates your compassion, not because you’re smarter or better than the child. You just understand something they don’t understand.

In closing, as we’re getting toward the end here, the reason I’m saying all this is that the more you understand how the mind, thought, and consciousness works, which ironically is simple to understand, the more you naturally develop compassion for almost everybody else in your professional and personal life because what you start to notice is they’re all sleepwalking.

They believe in beliefs. They’re having thoughts and they think that these thoughts are real. They think they’re facts and not thoughts. I’m not talking about being woke, but it’s almost like you’re awake and you’re watching everybody else sleepwalking through life. You naturally develop a little bit more compassion for them because they’re innocently believing their thoughts and living by beliefs that are no evidence in reality. Again, it’s not that you’re so smart or enlightened, it’s just that you understand something that they don’t.

Any advice you would give to our readers on how they could observe their thoughts or are there things that you do in your life that help you then better understand your thoughts?

HBS 16 | Solving Problems
Solving Problems: The more you understand how the mind, thought, and consciousness works, the more you naturally develop compassion for almost everybody else in your professional and personal life.

 

Here’s all you want to do and I alluded to this before with the nail in the foot. As you go through your day, observe your feelings, not no weird psycho, “I got to check my feelings out every second,” way, when you feel anxious, upset, or anything other than peaceful, love, and calm, ask yourself one question, “Where do I think this feeling is coming from?” When you’re new to this type of transformational work, as most people are, you will naturally say, “The pissed-off feeling is coming from his tone of voice and the way he’s talking to me.”

To question that, “Is that true? Is it possible that a person’s tone of voice somehow magically converts into a feeling in another person’s body?” If you’re honest with yourself, you’ll come to the realization that “That’s not accurate. That’s impossible. The traffic is pissing me off. Is that true?” How come the person that’s sitting in the car next to you is playing eardrums with a big smile on his face? If traffic pisses people off, then everybody sitting in traffic would be pissed off, but the guy sitting next to you, that’s jamming out to a rush song, he’s not pissed off.

I want people to hear, “This is a lot like gravity. This is a principle.” Principles are principles because they don’t change. That’s what makes it a principle. Most people are operating under the belief that they’re all different from each other, and we are different in our unique way, but the way that the mind works is not different for anybody. The reason Hitler did what Hitler did is that Hitler thought thoughts and he took them to be real. I have compassion for Hitler. I don’t condone what he did. I don’t approve of it. There’s nothing in your life that you’ve ever done that you didn’t believe at the moment was the right thing to do.

When you turn on the news tonight and you see the that walked into a school and shot a bunch of kids, I’m not saying condone that behavior, but understand that person’s thought a thought. They didn’t question it and they acted on it. That’s a big thing to wrap your head around, but it’s simple. Learning how to question your thoughts is the most helpful habit you could ever develop in your life.

I had a thought that we would be talking about how to improve yourselves. I was thinking that was going to be the title.

That is what we did by the way.

I would love to have you on again in the future. Kevin, I appreciate the work that you do. If our readers would like to be getting contact with you, what’s the best way?

They can follow me on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, and Instagram and they can go to my website. My website needs to be updated. There’s a lot of old information, but they can easily find me. Send me a LinkedIn invitation, connect with me on Facebook, follow me on Instagram, and shoot me an email at Kevin@KevinKnebl.com. I’m certainly easily findable.

Kevin, I appreciate you being on and good luck with your new endeavor in Colorado Springs or coming back home to take care of your parents, and we’ll talk soon.

Thanks. I appreciate being on your show. God bless. We’ll talk again.

Take care.

There you have it, another great episode. You can find out more about all the ways we can help you at HeathBarnes.com. That’s it for this episode. Have a great week and we’ll talk next time.

 

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About Kevin Knebl

HBS 16 | Solving ProblemsI’m blessed to be The Most Recommended Business Speaker in the World among over 281,298 Business Speakers Worldwide (LinkedIn 2021). I speak, train and coach internationally on Social Selling, Relationship Marketing, Online & Offline Networking, LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, and Transformational Insight from a relational perspective versus a tape on the glasses and pocket protector approach. My speaking and training style has been described as a blend of comedian, therapist and stimulating teacher. Individuals and organizations significantly grow their networks, businesses, and revenues through my dynamic, inspirational and humorous trainings, webinars, workshops and individual and group coaching.

 

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